Well, I'm not sure I"m looking at the same images as everyone else. The 2nd (of the first set) has larger blur in the background, and her facial features are truer. Clearly a longer lens.
In the 2nd set, I much prefer the background of the 2nd (again) as being much less defined. I find the DoF comparable enough to the 1st of that set, but again, prefer the appearance of her face in the 2nd. What I like to call "the geometry of the image."
Apparently less blur in bokeh is "creamier?" I did not know that.
garyrhook wrote: Well, I'm not sure I"m looking at the same images as everyone else. The 2nd (of the first set) has larger blur in the background, and her facial features are truer. Clearly a longer lens.
In the 2nd set, I much prefer the background of the 2nd (again) as being much less defined. I find the DoF comparable enough to the 1st of that set, but again, prefer the appearance of her face in the 2nd. What I like to call "the geometry of the image."
Apparently less blur in bokeh is "creamier?" I did not know that.
The second has a larger blur? The details in the first image background are not as defined as the second. Look at the points of light. The first has much smoother edges. If you look to the right of the ladies head you see several circles in the second image where none show up in the first, thus what people call a creamier bokeh. The desired bokeh wouldn't show these circles as defined as they are. Creamier bokeh has smoother transitions which is what the first shows and not the second. I think the background of the first image is much less defined. I'm not sure what you are seeing to think the second image is "much less defined" but different people see things differently. For all I know it could be the same lens zoomed to a different focal length. It will be curious to see the answer.
garyrhook wrote: Well, I'm not sure I"m looking at the same images as everyone else. The 2nd (of the first set) has larger blur in the background, and her facial features are truer. Clearly a longer lens.
In the 2nd set, I much prefer the background of the 2nd (again) as being much less defined. I find the DoF comparable enough to the 1st of that set, but again, prefer the appearance of her face in the 2nd. What I like to call "the geometry of the image."
Apparently less blur in bokeh is "creamier?" I did not know that.
Bokeh about quality of the blur (smoothness of the blur etc.), not how much there is... not sure what you mean by "larger blur". Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion on the quality of the bokeh. It's subjective.
The lenses (in the first one) are the same focal length.
2nd set aren't related, just for Scotty to see, ignore them.
Shadowfixer1 wrote: The second has a larger blur? The details in the first image background are not as defined as the second. Look at the points of light. The first has much smoother edges. If you look to the right of the ladies head you see several circles in the second image where none show up in the first, thus what people call a creamier bokeh. The desired bokeh wouldn't show these circles as defined as they are. Creamier bokeh has smoother transitions which is what the first shows and not the second. I think the background of the first image is much less defined. I'm not sure what you are seeing to think the second image is "much less defined" but different people see things differently. For all I know it could be the same lens zoomed to a different focal length. It will be curious to see the answer.
Yeh bokeh isn't about how much blur there is, it's the quality of the blur.
TySheersPhotography wrote: Too many variables to give an opinion.
If tripod mounted and locked focus then a much easier decision.
Ok cool. Wasn't really going for the scientific test chart comparison here, but thanks for your post.
Both are Voigtländer M mount lenses (on a Sony a7). Because they're manual focus this accounts a little for the softness in the eyes. They are both shot wide open and nailing perfect focus (especially with limited time sitting in a store) was a challenge.
A = Voigtländer 35 1.2 II lens (shot at 1.2)
B = Voigtländer 35 1.4 lens (shot at 1.4)
They have differing minimum focal distances (0.5m for the 1.2 and 0.7m for the 1.4) which may accound for Gary thinking they're different focal lengths.
I wanted to attach 100% crops of the eyes (which aren't precisely the focus point) but it seems I cannot at the moment).
Anyway, here's a picture of the 40 1.4 (which is nearly exactly the same as the 35 1.4 in size) together (larger is the 1.2):
A (35 1.2) costs $1,200 (USD) and is 1.03 lb (471 g)
B (35 1.4) costs $629 (USD) and is 7 oz (200g)
So A has the better bokeh and (when done right) is a bit sharper, BUT it's about double the price and over double the weight. Still for that nice bokeh it may be worth it.
Upon further examination, I'll retract my initial answer and go with the f/1.2. Very interesting. Apologies for including the 2nd set in the discussion; I see that they were irrelevant to the initial post.
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