Storing your photos and conserving hard drive space...

9 years 9 months ago #386763 by Wayne Tidwell
Will you convert your RAW files to JPG for the purpose of conserving space when storing photos you are done with?   I'm talking about, for example:  You go out today and take 78 photos.  You come back, 8 photos are worthy for your "I Love My Photography" folder :) ,  you edit those and save them in such or similar folders.  The remaining 70 RAW files/photos you don't want to delete (because they aren't that bad, just not your best), so you need to move them to storage.  Will you keep those 70 as RAW files or will you convert them to JPG before moving? 


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9 years 9 months ago #386818 by Hassner
It depends on your shooting style and topic. 
I guess on average I will keep about 20-30 of those RAW files.

Maybe I get asked by a magazine for an image with more sky where they can add copy or a horizontal instead of vertical of the same topic. So I keep variations of the topic with that in mind, but do not process them. I do not want to spend too much time processing. I want to keep enjoying it. So after a big job like a wedding, I do not touch Photoshop for at least 3 days.


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9 years 9 months ago #386824 by garyrhook

Wayne Tidwell wrote: Will you convert your RAW files to JPG for the purpose of conserving space when storing photos you are done with?   I'm talking about, for example:  You go out today and take 78 photos.  You come back, 8 photos are worthy for your "I Love My Photography" folder :) ,  you edit those and save them in such or similar folders.  The remaining 70 RAW files/photos you don't want to delete (because they aren't that bad, just not your best), so you need to move them to storage.  Will you keep those 70 as RAW files or will you convert them to JPG before moving? 


I keep the originals because I never know when I might want to go back and "try again" on something. I am working towards procedures to make my jpgs more readily available to my family. Still working that out.

I am however, becoming much more critical when culling. I've learned that no one wants to see 12 versions of the same shot. Unless there is a clear difference (because I know folks have odd preferences) I work hard to get rid of (fully delete) images I will never touch. And complete the work on anything I think is worth keeping.

Sometimes, during that last part, I toss more images because I decide they aren't worth it.

Completed work gets exported from LR into a separate catalog and moved to the NAS. I envision the JPGs for the family will go to a public folder on the NAS.


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9 years 9 months ago #386840 by tejbon
Hard drives are pretty inexpensive these days.  So I keep the RAW images and just pick up new hard drives when I need them.


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9 years 9 months ago #386896 by Stanly
I keep all my RAW files, thank goodness hard drive prices have come down

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9 years 9 months ago #386943 by IzzieK
I keep everything. I hardly throw anything away.


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9 years 9 months ago #386962 by Wayne Tidwell
I appreciate the answers everyone!


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9 years 9 months ago #387231 by Kitzmiller
I'm no pro, but I keep all my original files. 


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9 years 9 months ago #387249 by Flash Steven

tejbon wrote: Hard drives are pretty inexpensive these days.  So I keep the RAW images and just pick up new hard drives when I need them.



I was going to say the same thing.   You can get 5TB drives for under couple hundred bucks, heck 1TB hard drives are around $70.  Plenty of space to save what you want too! 

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9 years 9 months ago #391033 by Wayne Tidwell

Flash Steven wrote:

tejbon wrote: Hard drives are pretty inexpensive these days.  So I keep the RAW images and just pick up new hard drives when I need them.



I was going to say the same thing.   You can get 5TB drives for under couple hundred bucks, heck 1TB hard drives are around $70.  Plenty of space to save what you want too! 



Sorry didn't see your answer, but yes,  storage space is pretty good on the old wallet.  Especially since I don't have much in mine!  :pinch:


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9 years 8 months ago - 9 years 8 months ago #391615 by shelland

tejbon wrote: Hard drives are pretty inexpensive these days.  So I keep the RAW images and just pick up new hard drives when I need them.


Ditto. I keep all the RAWs and also export everything as JPG after editing. Probably overkill, but drive space is relatively cheap. I could probably get by with just keeping RAW and only make the JPGs as needed, but why change now. :D (I'm not a professional, but take a lot :) )

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9 years 8 months ago #393524 by Alan Nunez
Here is a cool hack that I use in my photography and with my Pixel Partners HQ clients to reduce the RAW file size without loosing any quality:

I normally do this in Bridge so if my instruction for LR are not quite right let me know and I can whip up a quick tutorial video 

1. On import via LR or Bridge, convert to DNG (do not tick the box that say "Embed Original RAW File" 
2. Once imported Select All in Bridge/LR. 
3a. BRIDE: Open in ACR>click Save Image> Select Digital Negative as the format and settings as below:



3b. LR: File>Export> In files setting do similar as bridge> click Export

4. Done. you should have raw files that are half the file size or less. Check them, If you are happy with them the you can delete the original and save heap of space. Added benefit if you are not already using DNG is that there is no sidecar file needed the edits are embedded the DNG file rather than the separate sidecar file.

Let me know if anyone wants me to make a video with the process.


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9 years 8 months ago #393556 by garyrhook

Alan Nunez wrote: 4. Done. you should have raw files that are half the file size or less. Check them, If you are happy with them the you can delete the original and save heap of space. Added benefit if you are not already using DNG is that there is no sidecar file needed the edits are embedded the DNG file rather than the separate sidecar file.


With all deference to your greater professional experience, this is bad advice for anyone that wishes to retain all of the original data. Lossy compression is lossy compression, no matter how you slice it. What value is a pseudo-RAW files with half the size and even less of the data?

A small, compressed jpg in the raw file is not costing that much space.


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9 years 8 months ago #393592 by Alan Nunez

garyrhook wrote: With all deference to your greater professional experience, this is bad advice for anyone that wishes to retain all of the original data. Lossy compression is lossy compression, no matter how you slice it. What value is a pseudo-RAW files with half the size and even less of the data?

A small, compressed jpg in the raw file is not costing that much space.


Gary, You are quite right.

There is some quality loss with this method....Personally I like to keep the full raw files and I really like the DNG format with out any compression(I think that data storage is pretty cheap over all). I probably should have also noted that it also depends on what you intend on doing with the images in the future. I will say that from my testing this method is better than JPG. Have a look at the 3 images attached and run some test of your images and see which works best in your own workflow. Here is a test I did from shot taken yesterday on a D3 where I have don extreme Shadow and Highlight correction in ACR. Note the file name at the lect of the screen shot to see if it in NEF, JPG(Max quality) or DNG (with compression)...








Now if you look at these screenshots at 100% the NEF is Best, The JPG is Worst and the DNG sits in between for quality. The images below are after the each file has been resized in Photoshoto (hard to tell the difference)...



 Hard to tell the difference between the DNG & NEF.


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9 years 8 months ago #393593 by Alan Nunez
Ok Here is part 2...Pick the winner, Which of these images in from NEF, JPG (Max quality), DNG (with Compression):

IMAGE 1


IMAGE 2


IMAGE 3



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