Stealthy Ninja wrote: BTW my friend who owns the X-T1 would never say it's a replacement for a FF camera. It's very good, but you just can't get around the physics. Sensor technology can make high ISO noise better, but it can't magically improve the bokeh. Even Zack had to freelense and give special conditions to make the Fuji have "better" bokeh than a FF camera. Even then, his comparisons were just bokeh balls... interesting, but bokeh isn't just "bokeh balls".
BTW I'm not against crop cameras for certain situations. Like perhaps telephoto use or when you want a lot of DOF or something. I'll probably get a 7D II when it comes out (specs depending).
I'm not about to say that crop bodies are better than FF cameras, but the newer ones are a LOT better than my D200 lol!
I guess we will see in time, I personally think that there are some paradigm shifts that will happen in the market within the next few years. Smart money bets on all the technology improving, even today's Fujis that Zack seems to be a fanboy of.
Zack: Ohh you've got proof full frame is better? Nah nah proof-smoof, bleh bleh nah nah. I don't need no stinkin' bokeh! Ne-li-gi-bull! No way anything you can tell me can make me change my mind.
Stealthy Ninja wrote: BTW my friend who owns the X-T1 would never say it's a replacement for a FF camera. It's very good, but you just can't get around the physics. Sensor technology can make high ISO noise better, but it can't magically improve the bokeh. Even Zack had to freelense and give special conditions to make the Fuji have "better" bokeh than a FF camera. Even then, his comparisons were just bokeh balls... interesting, but bokeh isn't just "bokeh balls".
BTW I'm not against crop cameras for certain situations. Like perhaps telephoto use or when you want a lot of DOF or something. I'll probably get a 7D II when it comes out (specs depending).
I'm not about to say that crop bodies are better than FF cameras, but the newer ones are a LOT better than my D200 lol!
I guess we will see in time, I personally think that there are some paradigm shifts that will happen in the market within the next few years. Smart money bets on all the technology improving, even the today's Fuji's that Zack seems to be a fanboy of.
Thing is, the quality will improve for FF cameras too. Which is why I say you can't fight the physics.
Stealthy Ninja wrote: How I can imagine talking to him about this:
Guy: Hey Zack, why u use crop camera?
Zack: Ohh you've got proof full frame is better? Nah nah proof-smoof, bleh bleh nah nah. I don't need no stinkin' bokeh! Ne-li-gi-bull! No way anything you can tell me can make me change my mind.
Stealthy Ninja wrote: BTW my friend who owns the X-T1 would never say it's a replacement for a FF camera. It's very good, but you just can't get around the physics. Sensor technology can make high ISO noise better, but it can't magically improve the bokeh. Even Zack had to freelense and give special conditions to make the Fuji have "better" bokeh than a FF camera. Even then, his comparisons were just bokeh balls... interesting, but bokeh isn't just "bokeh balls".
BTW I'm not against crop cameras for certain situations. Like perhaps telephoto use or when you want a lot of DOF or something. I'll probably get a 7D II when it comes out (specs depending).
I'm not about to say that crop bodies are better than FF cameras, but the newer ones are a LOT better than my D200 lol!
I guess we will see in time, I personally think that there are some paradigm shifts that will happen in the market within the next few years. Smart money bets on all the technology improving, even the today's Fuji's that Zack seems to be a fanboy of.
Thing is, the quality will improve for FF cameras too. Which is why I say you can't fight the physics.
More space = bigger photosites = better image
and so on.
That is what the current FX owners will tell their wives and husbands when they decide to buy into digital medium format.
Stealthy Ninja wrote: BTW my friend who owns the X-T1 would never say it's a replacement for a FF camera. It's very good, but you just can't get around the physics. Sensor technology can make high ISO noise better, but it can't magically improve the bokeh. Even Zack had to freelense and give special conditions to make the Fuji have "better" bokeh than a FF camera. Even then, his comparisons were just bokeh balls... interesting, but bokeh isn't just "bokeh balls".
BTW I'm not against crop cameras for certain situations. Like perhaps telephoto use or when you want a lot of DOF or something. I'll probably get a 7D II when it comes out (specs depending).
I'm not about to say that crop bodies are better than FF cameras, but the newer ones are a LOT better than my D200 lol!
I guess we will see in time, I personally think that there are some paradigm shifts that will happen in the market within the next few years. Smart money bets on all the technology improving, even the today's Fuji's that Zack seems to be a fanboy of.
Thing is, the quality will improve for FF cameras too. Which is why I say you can't fight the physics.
More space = bigger photosites = better image
and so on.
That is what the current FX owners will tell their wives and husbands when they decide to buy into digital medium format.
I'd have medium format if I could afford it. Especially when it comes in A7 size.
McBeth Photography wrote: I guess if it needs to be explained, then here it is. Here you have a working pro that is choosing a smaller format to shoot and publish professional work with.
Cool, he has every right to that decision, for himself, and I wish him the best with that.
This is in direct opposition to what the camera manufacturers are trying tell us when they market their FX cameras, particularly their high end models. Make no mistake about it, this discussion will continue around the photography global market.
Eh? Canon is just as happy to have my $$ for a dinky Rebel as a 5Diii. I have not seen this effort to push FF on us poor unsuspecting boobs.
What will happen when enough owners of Fuji, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Canon etc. APS-C cameras say to themselves,
"my sensor is good enough, FX isn't enough jump in quality to justify the investment, I think that I'll save up for a digital medium format and forget the D4s."
First we have to arrive at that "enough" point. I'm not convinced that is a certainty just because Zack has arrived at that point.
That, my friend, is what it has to do with the rest of the camera universe. Game changer. I think that there will be several new digital medium format systems introduced within the next five years and the people that used to make FX DSLR's their standard will be buying the bigger sensors.
icepics wrote: I just find it makes a difference if you want to do enlargements and that's where the larger negatives make a difference; otherwise I think a decent sharp lens makes more of a difference in image quality.
Couldn't agree more Sharon! Especially about the quality of the lens, it really makes a difference in imaging. (Although we don't want to forget that a good steady hand is a plus as well.)
All in all, I just think that it makes for an interesting discussion.
McBeth Photography wrote: I guess if it needs to be explained, then here it is. Here you have a working pro that is choosing a smaller format to shoot and publish professional work with.
Cool, he has every right to that decision, for himself, and I wish him the best with that.
This is in direct opposition to what the camera manufacturers are trying tell us when they market their FX cameras, particularly their high end models. Make no mistake about it, this discussion will continue around the photography global market.
Eh? Canon is just as happy to have my $$ for a dinky Rebel as a 5Diii. I have not seen this effort to push FF on us poor unsuspecting boobs.
What will happen when enough owners of Fuji, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Canon etc. APS-C cameras say to themselves,
"my sensor is good enough, FX isn't enough jump in quality to justify the investment, I think that I'll save up for a digital medium format and forget the D4s."
First we have to arrive at that "enough" point. I'm not convinced that is a certainty just because Zack has arrived at that point.
That, my friend, is what it has to do with the rest of the camera universe. Game changer. I think that there will be several new digital medium format systems introduced within the next five years and the people that used to make FX DSLR's their standard will be buying the bigger sensors.
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