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9 years 4 months ago #417742 by Steve Zahra
This is purely a hypothetical question.  I guess mainly because I'm finalizing some photos I'm sending to a client this morning and the thought crossed my mind as I was adding my company logo on these photos.  What would you do if a client removed your branding from the photos you provided them?  
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9 years 4 months ago #417744 by garyrhook
If I decide it matters, I remind the client that, per a signed agreement, they should be sharing only the small version of the images with the watermark intact. Thank you very much.
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9 years 4 months ago #417745 by Screamin Scott
I'd have language in the contract forbidding that & threaten a lawsuit if they did use the image anywhere with the logo removed
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9 years 4 months ago #417747 by effron
Meh, I'd just have Guido and Lucca give them a visit in the wee hours and 'splain why cheating me is NOT such a good idea. Of course as Gary said a kind reminder maybe even PRIOR to an infringement would negate drastic "horse head in the bed" type actions later?......:unsure:
Why so serious?
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9 years 4 months ago #417749 by Steve Zahra

garyrhook wrote: If I decide it matters, I remind the client that, per a signed agreement, they should be sharing only the small version of the images with the watermark intact. Thank you very much.


So I'll bite:  how do you determine if it matters?  What is the tipping point from 'doesn't matter' to 'it matters'?  
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9 years 4 months ago #417752 by Don Fischer
How are they gonna get it off in the first place?
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9 years 4 months ago #417761 by Screamin Scott
There are lots of ways, but I'm not going to divulge any & possibly influence someone into doing it... After all, it can be a copyright violation to do so...
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9 years 4 months ago #417770 by Joves

Don Fischer wrote: How are they gonna get it off in the first place?


With about any program out there. Watermarks are the simplest thing to get off of a photo now.
As stated it should be in your contract that getting rid of the Watermark is a Copyright violation. And you should have what is acceptable usage by the customer of your images. I.E for personal printing, websites, and other purposes outside of commercial use. For commercial shoots you have usage agreements that cover totally different uses, and terms of use for approximate time of use, and so on. And in the case of commercial whether or not you get some form of attribution, or not. For commercial there would be no Watermark on the images.
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9 years 4 months ago #417792 by garyrhook

Steve Zahra wrote:

garyrhook wrote: If I decide it matters, I remind the client that, per a signed agreement, they should be sharing only the small version of the images with the watermark intact. Thank you very much.


So I'll bite:  how do you determine if it matters?  What is the tipping point from 'doesn't matter' to 'it matters'?  


That decision is up to the photographer. For me, if it's someone that is a fan, has posted and/or shared my images previously, and I have a good relationship with, I might let it slide. If it's something that I've not gotten a lot of traction on (e.g. when I first started photographing children) I would want the branding and would raise the issue.

You will get all kinds of opinions about watermarks. Me, I think they're useful for building brand awareness, and I want people to know what I do and how well I do it (assuming I do it well). Even if they're not my ideal customer.
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9 years 4 months ago #417793 by garyrhook

Screamin Scott wrote: There are lots of ways, but I'm not going to divulge any & possibly influence someone into doing it... After all, it can be a copyright violation to do so...


+1 what Joves wrote, above.

To elaborate, some folks will remove a watermark badly and not care. A skilled photoshop user can remove a watermark without leaving any obvious trace. Ultimately, the folks that do so really don't care what you want. So it also comes down to how large an image you post, as well as your risk tolerance.
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9 years 4 months ago #417807 by Steve Zahra
Ok, that makes sound sense :thumbsup:
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9 years 4 months ago #417841 by H Rocky
:goodpost:
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9 years 3 months ago #418023 by Conner
one word: contract
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