Help in choosing the camera

5 years 10 months ago #585197 by yonek
Hello everyone :-)

I am mesmerised by Leica M Monochrom (246), but can't really afford. Could you help me choose something similar, but maybe not as espensive as Leica?


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Jonah
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5 years 10 months ago #585292 by fmw
Personally I see no point in choosing a digital monochrome camera when images can be converted to B&W easily and effectively with software.  So my advice is to abandon the concept of a monochrome camera.


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5 years 10 months ago #585294 by Shadowfixer1
1. Olympus Pen F if you are a jpg shooter. Very adjustable for black & white. 
2. Fuji X100F if you don't mind a fixed lens camera. 
3. Fuji XE-3 if you prefer interchangeable lenses.
All are good street photography cameras if that is your goal with the monochrome.
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5 years 10 months ago #585315 by G Vernon
I don´t see the point, converting from color to B/W is easy using channels with software such as Silver Efex Pro which does a sterling job by also replicating various film styles..


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5 years 10 months ago #585319 by Shadowfixer1
Maybe some people don't want to fool with processing is the one reason I can think of but the processing is part of the fun to me.
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5 years 10 months ago #585320 by garyrhook
I don't know if the M Monochrom has the same feature, but some (dedicated) B&W digital cameras see non-visible light, which changes the way the tones are rendered. Everyone that I've heard discuss their use of said function (via podcasts) raves about the fact that the results are decidedly not identical to taking a color image and converting it.

I don't have any direct experience with the M, nor any dedicated B&W camera, but the point of them is that the are different, apparently.


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5 years 10 months ago #585322 by siodre
with the fuji cameras you can shoot in b&w.  the evf displays the image in b&w.  I know people who shoot raw but use the b&w jpg mode for shooting so they see the image in b&w even though the final image is in color.


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5 years 10 months ago #585409 by fmw

garyrhook wrote:
I don't have any direct experience with the M, nor any dedicated B&W camera, but the point of them is that the are different, apparently.


That is true.  While it is possible to do a color to B&W conversion with a single mouse click, it is also possible to adjust the color channels individually to produce nearly any effect you wish.  Most of what you read about them is marketing, not imaging.s  It reminds me of the audiophiles who change the connecting cables hoping to change the sound.  Digital photo editing has come a long way.

Below is an image taken near Phoenix.  After conversion to B&W I adjusted the blue channel to increase the contrast between the sky and clouds.  I also made a slight adjustment to the green channel to add some sparkle to the saguaro cactus.  Imagine how difficult it would have been to do this in a darkroom with dodging and burning techniques. 

There really is no point to a monochrome digital camera in my view.



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5 years 10 months ago #585429 by garyrhook
(Again, based on my understanding)

For the same reason we have infrared cameras, the monochrome cameras collect light differently, and intentionally include portions of the non-visble spectrum. Your example of a conversion (of a standard image) is not the same thing, unless typical DLSR sensors are collecting light differently than I understand. And I don't believe that's the case.

Sensitivity to various wavelengths is not marketing hype, it's a technical feature.

All that said, do I care? I've not seen actual evidence from said hardware that produces a compelling argument for me. But as I said, I've heard pretty avid (rabid?) enthusiasm expressed.


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5 years 10 months ago #585442 by Shadowfixer1

garyrhook wrote: (Again, based on my understanding)

For the same reason we have infrared cameras, the monochrome cameras collect light differently, and intentionally include portions of the non-visble spectrum. Your example of a conversion (of a standard image) is not the same thing, unless typical DLSR sensors are collecting light differently than I understand. And I don't believe that's the case.

Sensitivity to various wavelengths is not marketing hype, it's a technical feature.

All that said, do I care? I've not seen actual evidence from said hardware that produces a compelling argument for me. But as I said, I've heard pretty avid (rabid?) enthusiasm expressed.

You are correct. Cameras that are made or have had the color array filters remove have a micro-contrast and clarity that is hard to duplicate. Put one of these prints beside a b&w conversion print and the difference can be seen. Now, having said that, if you didn't have a reference image from one of these cameras, you wouldn't know the difference in everyday use.   
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