HEIC to replace JPG?

2 years 7 months ago #672226 by Glen Mosley
I thought I read about a camera (non Apple) offering HEIC as one of the file formats for photos, could HEIC replace JPGs in all cameras with a firmware update?


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2 years 7 months ago #672227 by Nikon Shooter
Technically thinkable,
quite possible,
and will be most beneficial.

The sooner the better but it
would never replace the Raw.

Light is free… capturing it is not!
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2 years 7 months ago #672229 by Glen Mosley

Nikon Shooter wrote: Technically thinkable,
quite possible,
and will be most beneficial.

The sooner the better but it
would never replace the Raw.


Will be nice that it's recognized by more websites.  When I send photos from my phone to upload online, so many websites don't accept HEIC files, which means I need to go to a converter first. 

BTW which camera has incorporated HEIC files already.  I know I read an article, and though there was one already, but I can't seem to find it.


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2 years 7 months ago #672236 by Nikon Shooter

Glen Mosley wrote: Will be nice that it's recognized by more websites.


The sense and purpose of the format is to allow the image
to contain more data for possible adjustments but, ultima-
tely, the end result for the web won't bring much.

Glen Mosley wrote: BTW which camera has incorporated HEIC files already.

None of my cameras do and, as I exclusively work with Raw
files, I would get nothing from that new format.

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2 years 7 months ago #672243 by Ozzie_Traveller
G'day Glen

Qwik answer matey ... don't think so
Long answer ... JPEG has been around in one form or another for 50 years and serves the media / communications industry very well. I remember visiting the photo dep't of one of our major newspapers back in 1969 and seeing them scan a B&W photo in their equivalent of today's flat bed scanner which had a half-tone screen/mask across the platter, then connect it into the "modem" which beeped in sync with another some 500 miles away and at a speed of 96 bits per second, the image was transmitted over the phone lines and shared city-to-city

They could only do this via that very early form of JPG algorithm

I remember from the 80s, where Wang computers were very proactive along with ALL the other industry players in revising the JPG algorithms for document transfer 'around the paperless-office of the future' - and again ALL the big players in the industry came together to revise the JPG format

A decade ago Adobe offered DNG as a new standard for a common format for RAW images - and it has not been taken up as widely as they had hoped

This format has been created as far as I know, via a modification from the movie equivalent, MPEG and taken up by Apple in their products. Until -or unless- the whole world of camera makers adopt an Apple format with all its inherrent licencing issues, I for one can't see it happening

Phil from the great land Downunder
www.flickr.com/photos/ozzie_traveller/sets/


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2 years 7 months ago #672252 by garyrhook
+1 on Phil's comments, above.

HEIC is a superior compression algorithm, but that's irrelevant for web servers. The only thing that matters is small files and fast transmission/loading. More data doesn't align with those goals.

Therefore, JPG is here to stay. We have PNG for superior images (most servers support it), and I don't see much call for the middle ground. So Apple's interests are for their fan base, nothing more.

You do know that there's a JPEG2000 format, right? Better than JPEG, and no one supports it, either.


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2 years 7 months ago #672309 by Uplander
OMG, when you think about all the millions of cameras out there shooting JPG, most older, there is no way that would completely replace JPGs.  


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2 years 6 months ago #673289 by Ontherocks

Nikon Shooter wrote: Technically thinkable,
quite possible,
and will be most beneficial.

The sooner the better but it
would never replace the Raw.


True, but don't the HEIC photos include motion of 1 second or so?


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2 years 6 months ago #673454 by garyrhook

Ontherocks wrote:

Nikon Shooter wrote: Technically thinkable,
quite possible,
and will be most beneficial.

The sooner the better but it
would never replace the Raw.


True, but don't the HEIC photos include motion of 1 second or so?


Um, so? Has that ever been beneficial to you? I've got that on my iPhone, and it's never "saved" any shot. At least, for me. I turned it off.


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