Lightship and Lighthouse

MLKstudios wrote: I'm going on a tangent for a min....

It's never easy critiquing a stranger (people on forums present their own personas, not their reality). We don't know how personal the work is to them. You can sort of guess if it's a picture of their child (or grandchild) that it means something special, and a "slam" on the work would likely be taken to heart. But sometimes even a landscape (or a seascape) is "personal".

I don't think anyone here is against you David (though there are many against me).

My own criticisms of others are meant to help. I want everyone to be great (and successful). We all seem to get along better that way. Plus, producing good photo work is good for our profession as a whole.

Matthew

Now back to your stranded boat picture....

I have never felt anyone was against me on PT Matthew, my only problem is I am oversensetive and sometimes read things the wrong way but I am quick to apologise if I know I am wrong, I dont think anybody would be against you if you could come down a peg or two, your advice is always good advice its just your tone that always comes across as belittling, its what I said in a previous post all you need is to find some humility and friends would soon appear.

I'm not here to make friends, David. I'm here to teach.

While it might appear I'm trying to sell you something, it isn't about the money to me. I have to charge something because the world is that way -- We live in a material world.

But what I'm trying to get through to you (and others) is the tools we pros use aren't that difficult to learn. And there is now an online industry built on n00bs idea that it's something difficult, or requires a marketing degree. That's simply NOT true! And they are robbing you.

What you need to know takes about 6 months to learn. Then you CAN be a confident (in your skills) professional photographer who makes a good living and does honor to our profession.

That's my main concern. If I make friends, that's fine too. But I have to present myself as knowing things you don't, or why would you believe you could learn something valuable from me.

One last thing is, many get into photography as an artistic outlet, then they make a few good pics, and see ads for how to make $$$$ with their cameras. That's fine, and you can make a lot in this biz. But once you've sold more McDonalds hamburgers, you will eventually get to where you want to make something meaningful. That's the 2nd 100K images you will make. Inspiring you to get THERE is what I'm all about.

Matthew

That`s ok.

Bob,

Did you see the George Harrison film by Martin? Was on HBO this week.

Maybe rent it if you missed. It's good.

Bob, thanks for sharing the shot.

I actually didn't know these boats existed until this thread.

Good stuff.

Glad to see more film photographers on here.

MLKstudios wrote: I'm not here to make friends, David. I'm here to teach.

While it might appear I'm trying to sell you something, it isn't about the money to me. I have to charge something because the world is that way -- We live in a material world.

But what I'm trying to get through to you (and others) is the tools we pros use aren't that difficult to learn. And there is now an online industry built on n00bs idea that it's something difficult, or requires a marketing degree. That's simply NOT true! And they are robbing you.

What you need to know takes about 6 months to learn. Then you CAN be a confident (in your skills) professional photographer who makes a good living and does honor to our profession.

That's my main concern. If I make friends, that's fine too. But I have to present myself as knowing things you don't, or why would you believe you could learn something valuable from me.

One last thing is, many get into photography as an artistic outlet, then they make a few good pics, and see ads for how to make $$$$ with their cameras. That's fine, and you can make a lot in this biz. But once you've sold more McDonalds hamburgers, you will eventually get to where you want to make something meaningful. That's the 2nd 100K images you will make. Inspiring you to get THERE is what I'm all about.

Matthew

Matthew you talk to me as though I am an amatuer who know nothing, I have been in this industry as long as you have, I am a professional photographer who has made a substantial living for years, its only the last two years that I have been unable to work due to my spine deciding to collapse at the base, now I have had my back scaffolded up, the physios are helping me to regain strength and flexibility, once I am back at work next year I will continue to do well in photography because I am well respected with a good reputation, I dont need you to save me or teach me anything as I quite simply dont like your methods and as you say, you could be one of us, I dont want to become "one of us" whatever that is, I love my job and I love this forum and I AM here to make friends, but I still say it as it is, if someones photographs are not good I have always said so and likewise if someones photographs are good, I do not spread B/S as you intimated and never would, so stop trying to get through things to me that I dont need getting through as I already know.
I am not having a rant or getting upset this is simply me saying it as it is Matthew.

Must be a dangerous place to warrant a lightship and a lighthouse.

Now talking about dangerous places.

I applogise to the OP for how this thread kinda got personal, these things happen sometimes. As it is obvious to see certain measures have taken place to ensure this sort of thing isn't such a common situation.

There were two Nantucket lightships commissioned. One was rammed and sunk with the loss of all hands!!!!! This one was the replacement!!!!