Some people don't think photography is art. Some people think a painting where the person took a paint filled brush and slung it 5 times at the canvas and calls it art. Even though a 5 year old could do it.zabuza88 wrote: I Lately, I've run into a bunch of different people who keep telling me photography is not art.
While I agree with you. Do you think a snapshot is art? Do you think a computer spinning a camera on a wheel randomly taking pictures. Is that art? Some painters say that photography is not art, but painting is.Suni Park wrote: It is an art. Photography has the ability to convey a story, record a moment in time, document, and an expression of oneself. It is definitely an art.
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Esseff wrote: Snap a picture - of anything - post it and get likes. Only photographers worry about things like lightning, framing, mood, editing, etc. Social media has made it easy to get likes for photos that are terrible. It's cheapened it to the point where most people don't even try anymore.
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100% Spot on Sebastian .Esseff wrote : Social media has made it easy to get likes for photos that are terrible. It's cheapened it to the point where most people don't even try anymore.
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r1ch wrote: So you are saying if you just snap a picture, and don't try then your image is cheapened so much, it is not considered art?
Esseff wrote: Art is still the ultimate form of expression. It lives beyond the artist. Regardless of the type of art it should convey meaning,
Are you saying that if a person takes a snapshot.. It has no meaning? Maybe not to you, but to them it does, so in your definition, the snapshot has meaning there for is art?
emotion, mood and ultimately truth. Have you seen the schlock that makes up the bulk of Instagram and other social media sites?
Are you saying if the image does not contain the above.. emotion, mood, truth It is not art? If I take a picture of my house, then I edit it in photoshop, it is no longer truth. There for it is not art even though I put the effort into photoshop? So then the snap shot was truth, thus was art before I edited it and made it no longer truth, then it is no longer art?
I'm not saying people shouldn't photograph their holiday or their dinner or whatever. My statement above merely points out that digital photography is accessible to everyone and social media makes it easy to share your photos. And the fact remains that they're not all art.
Really? Who determines if it is art or not? You? Me? Your 3rd grade art teacher?
To illustrate my point, the most popular photo on IG is of an egg. Nothing else, just an egg on a white background.
What if the person owns a pet chicken. The chicken has it's first fertilized egg, the person is so overjoyed that it will have a little chicken they take a picture of the egg. This shows emotion, mood, meaning. Is this not art? I may have no meaning to you, but it reminds me of breakfast, to another it reminds them that evolution could never happen because a male and a female chicken would have to come first, but the chickens could not exist because they would have had to been hatched from an egg, that makes the person mad, So your egg now. Has meaning, evokes emotion, and causes the person to think about their own being. Women have pictures taken of them when they are pregnant with a "egg" sitting on the front of their body. Other women become emotional when seeing it because it has deep meaning to them and it is only a snapshot.. Are you saying that is not art?
The number two image is of the baby of someone called Kylie Jenner.
You are obviously not a woman, because babies cause women to be emotional with meaning of their own children, and for woman who cannot have children it is a sad reminder of what cannot be. Some of the strongest emotions and these snapshots are not art? Are you single without a wife or girlfriend? LOL
These images are hugely popular but convey nothing wrt meaning, emotion, etc, etc.
Tell your girl friend or wife that. LOL. The reason the images a hugely popular is because they have great mean and emotion for people who have animals that lay eggs or children. Are you the eye that judges what art is and what carries emotion or meaning for someone else?
The baby photo was number one by popular vote (I assume this Jenner is/was a celebrity) and the egg image was created for the sole purpose relegating the baby photo two the number slot. Popularity uploads.
If the baby is a celeb, That has more meaning to more people than any of your photos, and cause more emotion than your photos. So if emotion and meaning are the criteria of art, then these images are way more artistic than yours or mine, because it effects more people correct?
You'll see this any artform, be it photography, music, painting, dance, whatever. The moment the emphasis is laid on popularity (or monetary gain) the creation loses it's soul. Just ask Metallica...
So you are saying that photos that are popular and make a lot of money are not art? Isn't that why people spend millions of dollars on painting or pictures (Peter Lick comes to mind) and those people who created those images/pictures did not create art and are not artists based on your criteria that are cannot be popular or make money?
Also: I'm not saying my photos are the best. I'm an amateur at best. I do try to improve my technique and - more importantly - I try to develop a unique style or signature. 'Likes' don't come into it.
That's my 2c anyway.
[/color]Are you saying that if a person takes a snapshot.. It has no meaning? Maybe not to you, but to them it does, so in your definition, the snapshot has meaning there for is art?
[/color][/color]Are you saying if the image does not contain the above.. emotion, mood, truth It is not art? If I take a picture of my house, then I edit it in photoshop, it is no longer truth. There for it is not art even though I put the effort into photoshop? So then the snap shot was truth, thus was art before I edited it and made it no longer truth, then it is no longer art?
[/color][/color][/color][/color]Really? Who determines if it is art or not? You? Me? Your 3rd grade art teacher?
[/color]What if the person owns a pet chicken. The chicken has it's first fertilized egg, the person is so overjoyed that it will have a little chicken they take a picture of the egg. This shows emotion, mood, meaning. Is this not art? I may have no meaning to you, but it reminds me of breakfast, to another it reminds them that evolution could never happen because a male and a female chicken would have to come first, but the chickens could not exist because they would have had to been hatched from an egg, that makes the person mad, So your egg now. Has meaning, evokes emotion, and causes the person to think about their own being. Women have pictures taken of them when they are pregnant with a "egg" sitting on the front of their body. Other women become emotional when seeing it because it has deep meaning to them and it is only a snapshot.. Are you saying that is not art?
[/color]You are obviously not a woman, because babies cause women to be emotional with meaning of their own children, and for woman who cannot have children it is a sad reminder of what cannot be. Some of the strongest emotions and these snapshots are not art? Are you single without a wife or girlfriend? LOL
[/color]If the baby is a celeb, That has more meaning to more people than any of your photos, and cause more emotion than your photos. So if emotion and meaning are the criteria of art, then these images are way more artistic than yours or mine, because it effects more people correct?
[/color]So you are saying that photos that are popular and make a lot of money are not art? Isn't that why people spend millions of dollars on painting or pictures (Peter Lick comes to mind) and those people who created those images/pictures did not create art and are not artists based on your criteria that are cannot be popular or make money?
[/color]Are you saying that you are an amateur photographer at best and that makes you an expert on judgint what art is or is not? LOL
r1ch wrote: So I wasn't trolling but making a point. Each person has their own idea of what art is. And you have your own view. But you also recognize that who is the proper judge. So if you took a snapshop of yours that you don't consider art, and put a motion blur filter on it or some other creative filter. Is it art?
You said " But I have my views on this as does everyone else. Not looking for a debate. We probably just don't see eye to eye on this. But I maintain that social media has massively cheapened photography.
I would say, isn't that what Photographytalk web site about. Talking about photography even though you may disagree or not see eye to eye with someone.
Who can be a real judge and if no one can judge then it is only the person who created it to judge. What about abstract. It does not convey anything. Many consider this a form of art, but some do not. So again like you said, who is the judge. I think it comes down to the person who made it. Then I also see the distinction of "Fine Art" or Child Art" Who is to judge? If a child makes art, is it still art?
These are photos. That I edited. They were not very good photos but after editing them. If I say they are art, who can tell me they are not?
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