Why Nikon D850 has no on camera flash?

5 months 6 days ago #654998 by Marin Chi
I'm looking to make an upgrade and met up with someone yesterday who is selling their D850.  I didn't know it didn't have a on camera flash.  

Why is that? 


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5 months 6 days ago #655001 by Nikon Shooter
Because that little flash could be used as trigger for other flashes
but, at last, Nikon thought it is not a good idea… radio triggers are.

Because that little flash could be a cool feature for beginners or a-
mateurs but the D850 is targeted towards advanced users or pros
who don't need that little gizmo.

I own a D850 and the absence of flash I see as a blessing.

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5 months 6 days ago #655006 by garyrhook

Marin Chi wrote: I'm looking to make an upgrade and met up with someone yesterday who is selling their D850.  I didn't know it didn't have a on camera flash.  

Why is that? 


Because on-camera flash is horrible. IMNSHO it produces nothing attractive; at the very least use a speedlite (cost notwithstanding, which isn't that bad for after-market brands like Yongnuo).

As for triggering, I'd still want to aim my flash for that, so still a speedlite. And if you really need that, again, there are inexpensive solutions out there. If you can afford a D850, you can afford some modest accessories.

Just "no". I'm so happy, after a D5100 and a D750, that I no longer have that asinine device to deal with.

Yes, I feel strongly about it.


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4 months 3 weeks ago #656291 by fmw
Not only have I never used on camera flash but I've never even considered it.  Building them into the camera simply suggests to amateurs that you can make good images with them.  Not so.  Now you know where red eye removal software came from.


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4 months 3 weeks ago #656779 by Brody Kross
All their new mirrorless cameras don't have flashes either right?


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4 months 3 weeks ago #656786 by Nikon Shooter
Right!. :P

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4 months 2 weeks ago #657244 by Scott Klubeck
Besides most lenses will cast a horrible shadow when using onboard flash. 


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4 months 2 weeks ago - 4 months 2 weeks ago #657321 by effron
One needs to be aware. I've used mine a few times and always diffuse/bounce the light (even with my hand)...just like on a shoe mounted speedlight. I could live without it though.

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4 months 2 weeks ago #657473 by Peter Nunez
Effron, don't you get shadows from your lens even when using diffused or bounced?


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4 months 2 weeks ago #657537 by garyrhook

Peter Nunez wrote: Effron, don't you get shadows from your lens even when using diffused or bounced?


Not on short lenses (a 50, e.g.).


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4 months 2 weeks ago #657538 by Nikon Shooter

Peter Nunez wrote: Effron, don't you get shadows from your lens even when using diffused or bounced?


Bounced? Never.
Diffused? Possibly.

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4 months 2 weeks ago #657586 by effron

Peter Nunez wrote: Effron, don't you get shadows from your lens even when using diffused or bounced?


Only if not paying attention. Even putting a hand in the way will bounce the light. Its not a lot of power though compared to a speedlight....

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3 months 3 weeks ago #660012 by NikonF4ever
Honestly, I find the on-camera flash is really of little use. My D700 has one and I really don't think I have ever used it.  The D850 is a professional level camera and eliminating the flash not only saves money, but it enables a tighter weather seal for the entire camera.


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3 months 3 weeks ago #660069 by Shadowfixer1
The only good reason to have an on camera flash is to use it as a commander. There are better solutions out there but it does work if you need it.

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3 months 3 weeks ago #660103 by effron

Shadowfixer1 wrote: The only good reason to have an on camera flash is to use it as a commander..


Yup, and the on camera flash can be powered way down so not to over flatten the image....

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