How do you use a gray card for proper exposure?

12 years 9 months ago #104280 by lucky1one
I know that you can use a gray card to meter for proper exposure when there is continuous lighting (no strobe or flash), because you could use the camera's built-in meter.

How about a situation in which a flash or strobe is used? My understanding is that a camera's built-in meter would not be useful, because it could not provide a reading of the flash exposure and ambient exposure at the same time... the meter is activated only after a burst of flash has occurred. That's the reason photographers use a handheld incident meter.

My question is, could you get around the problem of not having an incident meter by...

1. metering a gray card for proper exposure with the camera's built-in meter
(for example, 1/125 @ f.5.6 without flash)

2. adjust the shutter speed or aperture based on the power level setting of the flash you use.
(for example, fill light using a flash at full power.)

...since adding flash at full power = 1 f-stop increase of exposure, could I make compensation to the original meter reading (w/ gray card without flash) either by changing my shutter speed from 1/125 to 1/250 or changing my aperture from f 5.6 to f 8?

Thanks in advance for your reply!


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12 years 9 months ago - 12 years 9 months ago #104288 by MLKstudios
It is possible to use an 18% card for flash exposure using some trial and error.

First of all, your shutter speed doesn't affect flash exposure like it does with ambient light. Flash control is based on the aperture (f/stop) setting alone. Your shutter speed needs to be at the camera's sync speed, or below.

Have someone hold the card in front of their face (the same distance from the light is important) and get close enough to fill the frame with it. Fire the strobe (or flash) and look at the camera's histogram. You should have a "spike" near the middle of the histogram (very slightly left is OK).

If the spike is to the right of center, stop the lens down, and if it's to the left, open it some.

You can also adjust the power setting of the light (or the light-to-subject distance).

Matthew :)

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12 years 9 months ago #104296 by chasrich

MLKstudios wrote: It is possible to use an 18% card for flash exposure using some trial and error.

First of all, your shutter speed doesn't affect flash exposure like it does with ambient light. Flash control is based on the aperture (f/stop) setting alone. Your shutter speed needs to be at the camera's sync speed, or below.

Have someone hold the card in front of their face (the same distance from the light is important) and get close enough to fill the frame with it. Fire the strobe (or flash) and look at the camera's histogram. You should have a "spike" near the middle of the histogram (very slightly left is OK).

If the spike is to the right of center, stop the lens down, and if it's to the left, open it some.

You can also adjust the power setting of the light (or the light-to-subject distance).

Matthew :)


Good to know. Thank you, Mathew.

What week is this covered in?

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12 years 9 months ago #104300 by lucky1one
Hi Matthew, thanks for the great tip! You're right. I should just meter the gray card as usual and check the histogram in order to make any necessary adjustments to my exposure. In the past, I've just looked at my LCD screen to check for proper exposure, but it is very inaccurate. While using a gray card to set custom white balance and exposure takes extra time, I think it is worth it in the final results.

I am thinking about purchasing the Photovision 14" pocket one-shot digital calibration target. At the same time, I hear a lot about the X-Rite color checker. What do you think about them?


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12 years 9 months ago #104352 by photobod
You can also take a photo of the grey card, fill your screen with the grey card using the lighting set up that your using for the shoot, I prop it up in my studio approximately where the subject will be sitting, then use that image as your white balance setting, your manual should explain how to do this, cameras are so different so its pointless me telling you how I do mine.
This ensures that skin tones remain the same even when zooming in from body shots to head shots.

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12 years 9 months ago #104420 by Henry Peach
You don't need the gray card or a flash meter if you know the flash guide number (listed in the flash specs in the manual or online). GN is listed for full power at ISO 100.

Guide number divided by distance to subject = f/stop for normal exposure
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12 years 9 months ago - 12 years 9 months ago #104448 by MLKstudios
Flash = week 4 chas.

:)

HP, I cover guide numbers too, but today many people add an umbrella or softbox (Wescott makes a few for flashes now) or some other kind of diffuser. They throw the guide numbers out the window. But I agree, the GN of your flash is very important to know.

BTW not all companies are using ISO 100 anymore. It rates better at ISO 200. Marketing.

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12 years 9 months ago #104584 by icepics
Chas I was thinking the same thing... A lightbulb went on Matthew, NOW I get how the histogram works! The way you explained it I can relate that to the needle in a light meter.

Sharon
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12 years 9 months ago #105336 by Superman
Have you looked at the ExpoDisc white balance filter?

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12 years 9 months ago #105614 by lucky1one
@ superman... I actually own an Expodisc. As far as I know, it is only used for white balancing, not to get accurate exposure.


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12 years 9 months ago #105680 by MLKstudios
Expo Disc = Exposure Disc. That was its original design. To turn your camera into an incident light meter.

Later, they realized the color was neutral enough to be used for white balance too, and were able to ride the digital wave.

They're expensive, and many like them. However, you can get as good or better WB and exposure using cheaper tools. A KODAK (or Delta) brand gray card for exposure and a Robin Myers Imaging or similar for white balance will cost about $25 USD.

I also make my own dual purpose cards based on the RMI card. I paint one side of it 18% gray so it can be used for both -- exposure and white balance.

Matthew :)

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12 years 9 months ago #105977 by lucky1one
You're right, Matthew. I had not known this. An Expodisc could also used as an incident light meter... and a gray card is a way cheaper alternative :P


When using a flash/strobe with an Expodisc (or a gray card for that matter) to set proper exposure, I have to take the extra steps to check the histogram after taking a shot, make adjustment to my exposure setting, take another shot, check the histogram again and so on until I nail the correct exposure. It's essentially chimping with a highly accurate histogram instead of a less reliable LCD screen.

This is where I think a handheld flash meter has its advantage when shooting with a flash, because once you sync the ISO and shutter speed between the camera and the flash meter, it will tell you the EXACT aperture to use to get a correct exposure. Take a flash metering, set the aperture on the camera, take a shot, and you're done.

I watched the video lesson from Expodisc's website in which the presenter was teaching the viewer how to use it in a studio setting to get proper exposure. However, he used a hot strobe for continuous lighting. What I wanted to see instead is how it could be used with flash units. I think more people use flash units than continuous lighting.

I've never used a flash meter or an Expodisc to set proper exposure, so please correct me if anything I said is not right. Thanks.


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12 years 9 months ago - 12 years 9 months ago #106807 by MLKstudios
lucky,

I think you got the ideas right, but your "lingo" is off a bit. ANY light called a strobe "blinks", by definition. You're correct that sometimes continuous lighting is called HOT lighting.

A 500 watt photoflood bulb, or 2K Fresnel movie lights, get so hot they can melt the things they light.

The newer fluorescent lights are the exception. They're continuous without getting hot.

Matthew

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12 years 9 months ago #106884 by lucky1one
Thanks for the clarification, Matthew. I like the idea of cool fluorescent lighting, because what you see is what you get, and you don't have to worry about frying your subject. With advancement in technology, I'm sure that it will become more powerful and cheaper in the future.

I've never owned a monolight before, but I have a couple of speedlights. As a beginner who is learning portrait photography, there were times I wished that I had modeling lights to help me take the guess work out of where my lights will fall. I think my next purchase will be a good flash meter and a monolight, perhaps a White Lightning or Einstein by Paul C. Buff.


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