Would it still be considered a photograph...

9 years 1 month ago #427094 by Joves
Most likely is was because the photos were over cooked. There is a whole lot of that going on, and for some it is too much to handle. I personally do not care much what people do with their images. But to me it becomes photogcrapraphy when you go too far.


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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #427129 by RobWood
This subject pops up on every photography forum I subscribe to. I think it's really an issue of aesthetics, and frankly, aesthetics are completely subjective. What seems like a masterpiece to one person can be a travesty to somebody else.

Don't know if you're familiar with it, but National Geographic has a site that revolves around user-submitted photos. For several years, they would only accept "pure" photos, meaning minor cropping, a bit of dodging or burning, and resizing were OK, but nothing more. Now they accept HDR images, with some caveats. I think NatGeo's current requirements are pretty solid, and I try to follow them no matter where I upload my photos. Restraint is the better part of artistic effort, in my opinion.

Here are NatGeo's submission requirements :

ETHICS: National Geographic supports ethical photography that accurately represents cultures, ecosystems, and wildlife. We expect that the welfare of people, animals, and their environments take precedence over photography. In other words, don’t harm or manipulate the subject or its environment for the sake of creating an image.

CAPTION:
We insist on truth in captioning and expect full disclosure in the story behind the photo. The description should be complete and accurate. Not only does this establish trust and lend greater credibility to your photo, but it also increases the engagement of the viewer.

BURNING AND DODGING:
Brightening or darkening specific areas in an image is allowed but
should be kept to a minimum and not done to the point where it is obvious. Your goal in using digital darkroom techniques should only be to adjust the dynamic tonal range and color balance of an image so that it more closely resembles what you saw and communicates the mood of the scene.

CROPPING:
Cropping is allowed, but composing the image in-camera is always ideal.

BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPHY:
Converting your color photos to black and white is acceptable.

STITCHED PANORAMAS:
These are allowed only if the segments were all made within the same time frame. Don't create panoramas with sections made at significantly different times. Do not change focal length while creating a stitched image. Do not stretch the meaning of panorama to include elements that weren't in the scene as you saw it. If your photo is a stitched image, please indicate so in the caption.

COMPOSITE OR HIGH DYNAMIC RANGE (HDR): These shots are allowed only if the combined parts are made at the same time. Don't submit final images where the foreground was shot at noon and the sky at sunset. If your photo is an HDR image, please indicate this in the caption.

FILTERS:
We allow filters on photographs. We ask that you please include a description of how the style was achieved and which filter or technique was used. Use discretion, however, as overprocessing can often make the photo look cartoonish.

WATERMARKS:
Your Shot always credits the author of a photo whenever and wherever it appears on the site, along with providing a link to the author's profile. Because of this, there's no need to watermark your photo. A small and subtle watermark is allowed but not encouraged—we want to see your photograph without any distractions.

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9 years 1 month ago #427168 by stutter warrior
For me, whose living does not depend on photography, I consider a photo the result that comes out of the camera. You can manipulate it however you like during the actual shot.

Once you start editing it in any form then its art.

But then perhaps even adjusting how the photo will appear and not taken an exact copy of the scene is editing it on the go?

But thank your god(s) for art, as how boring would it be if people could not use their imagination and skills to create the stunning artwork that they do. The photos in this forum are an example, as they are amazing.


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9 years 1 month ago #427194 by Rob Conley
:agree:  


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9 years 1 month ago #427205 by garyrhook

stutter warrior wrote: For me, whose living does not depend on photography, I consider a photo the result that comes out of the camera. You can manipulate it however you like during the actual shot.


I am so willing to bet that Ansel Adams would completely disagree with you.

Geez. 


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9 years 1 month ago #427334 by hghlndr6

garyrhook wrote:

stutter warrior wrote: For me, whose living does not depend on photography, I consider a photo the result that comes out of the camera. You can manipulate it however you like during the actual shot.


I am so willing to bet that Ansel Adams would completely disagree with you.

Geez. 


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9 years 1 month ago #427450 by Harper Coswell
All I have to say is that I wish I learned of this site sooner.  Thanks for all the continuous help.  

-Harper 


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9 years 1 month ago #427484 by Joves

hghlndr6 wrote:

garyrhook wrote:

stutter warrior wrote: For me, whose living does not depend on photography, I consider a photo the result that comes out of the camera. You can manipulate it however you like during the actual shot.


I am so willing to bet that Ansel Adams would completely disagree with you.

Geez. 


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Pretty much AA would have agreed.
Back in the film days printed photos were manipulated, or processed for effect. Now granted you did have to try to get it as close to correct as possible, this was especially true if you shot slide film a lot, as it had less stops to play with. But that too could be manipulated, I took a whole lot more work to make it seamless.
Now I do agree with you stutter that you can do a lot in the camera, and that is what I love to do. Call it the perfectionist in me, or whatever, but I do like to try and get it right when shot. It keeps me more engaged in what I am shooting, and makes the process more fun for me. The beauty of digital is that it is so much easier to fix screw ups now. I will say also that one of the reasons that I am not in a hurry to get a new camera is that I really know what my D300 will do. If I was to get a newer body then I would have to start all over, which while it is fun, it is not what I want at this point. For me right now I just want to enjoy shooting.
That is one of the problems I see with the whole upgrade every time mentality as well. By the time you are learning what each incarnation will do you move on to the next. The only reason to replace a body back in the old days was you killed the one you were using. Back then you had to learn various films, and what each of them produced, and there were tons of choices for any effect you wanted.


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9 years 1 month ago #427493 by effron

Joves wrote: " I really know what my D300 will do. If I was to get a newer body then I would have to start all over"

You might be surprised how close a D700/D800 shoots like a D300. The layouts and menus, particularly in the D700 are nearly identical......;)


Why so serious?
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9 years 1 month ago #427497 by RobWood
Cameras are becoming increasingly complex, and the features you can adjust to affect the in-camera result are evolving to the point where you will be able to manipulate the scene without ever having to use Photoshop. Whether you're talking about Ansel Adams and his darkroom, or a Canon or Nikon bazillion megapixel camera, photography has always been about the end result - not some arbitrary line in the sand that defines what is "art," and what is photography. Photography is art.


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9 years 1 month ago #427503 by Joves

effron wrote:

Joves wrote: " I really know what my D300 will do. If I was to get a newer body then I would have to start all over"

You might be surprised how close a D700/D800 shoots like a D300. The layouts and menus, particularly in the D700 are nearly identical......;)

:rofl:
Yeah but still why upgrade? Well the 700 is the same, and the 800 while one of the top dogs is not enough for me to get the itch. Hopefully by the time mine dies, or starts screwing up, there maybe a newer model out, thereby setting me up for a good longtime again. As I said, I have kicked the upgrade the tech at each new improvement habit. Hell if that had been the case I would have sold my 80-400 AF, for the AF-S version.        



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