At what point is photography not photography?

2 weeks 5 days ago #713748 by Nikon Shooter

TCav wrote: … does serve to demonstrate how silly this discussion is becoming.


Maybe the right point to come back to the considerations in the OP.

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2 weeks 1 day ago #713940 by Nefarious
Like it or not, this is the new "Photography", and it's only going to continue down this path.  


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2 weeks 1 hour ago - 2 weeks 1 hour ago #714106 by Nikon Shooter
For sure, all art forms are defined by their respective tool box, and
trends and artists. There is a word for this… evolution I think. When
considered, the Lascaux paintings, Leonardo, Rembrandt, Turner,
and Dali — among so many others through time periods — are all
part of the fantastic journey. :)

What the OP wondered about are the limits between photography
and imagery. Personally, I was still looking for it… but gave up.

Purists have their own way to explore and create and — most impor-
tant — not to recognise any value to other creators. A shame IYAM.

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1 week 6 days ago #714135 by TCav
Photography is the recording of radiant energy. When a photograph simply becomes the canvas upon which an image is created, the image ceases to be a photograph.


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1 week 6 days ago - 1 week 6 days ago #714143 by Nikon Shooter

TCav wrote: Photography is the recording of radiant energy. When a photograph simply becomes the canvas upon which an image is created, the image ceases to be a photograph.


Not correct since ALL are outside the visible spectrum — in the infra-red or IR 
and ultra-violet or UV frequencies. Photography excludes these that are invisible
to the naked human eye and to the interest of the OP.



The be able to perceive the over and under radiant frequencies, artificial techni-
ques of conversion are used so the radiant energies can be studied.

Some examples of radiant energy include:
  • The heat emitted from a campfire. IR
  • Emission of heat from a hot sidewalk. IR
  • X-rays. UV
  • Microwaves utilize radiant energy. IR
  • Space heaters produce radiant energy. IR
  • Heat created by the body can be radiant energy. IR
  • Lighting fixtures. IR
  • Home heating units. IR
  • Gamma rays UV and radio waves. IR
  • Many many more.

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1 week 6 days ago #714159 by TCav

Nikon Shooter wrote:

TCav wrote: Photography is the recording of radiant energy. When a photograph simply becomes the canvas upon which an image is created, the image ceases to be a photograph.


Not correct since ALL are outside the visible spectrum ...


Photograph or not?


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1 week 6 days ago - 1 week 6 days ago #714160 by Nikon Shooter

TCav wrote: Photograph or not?


That's a good one! :P

Like I said: The be able to perceive the over and under radiant frequencies, artificial
techniques of conversion are used so the radiant energies can be studied.

X rays can't be seen nor photographed. The lucky discovery of their effect on emul-
sions—by  Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen , professor of physics, brought the application
of recording on film that very effect under given conditions.

An Xray plate is no more a photograph of X-rays (radiography) than a sunburn is of
ultra-violet light (thermography).

Scientists and medical staffs talk of imagery, not of photography… may it be on plates,
screens or film.

Is this discussion more satisfying, less silly? :)

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1 week 6 days ago #714167 by TCav
It's a JPEG file. It was created by recording radiant energy.

But even if it isn't TECHNICALLY a photograph by your definition, haven't we ventured away from the original premise and simply arguing a fine point on the periphery of the subject at hand?


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1 week 6 days ago - 1 week 6 days ago #714168 by TCav

(Infrared photo of bending Cypress tree , taken with Sigma SD10 and Schneider B+W 093 filter, ISO100 f8 1/160s.)

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1 week 6 days ago #714169 by TCav

(A portrait taken using UV light between 335 and 365 nm)

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