Manual mode vs aperture priority.

Leilanee wrote:

I'm with you at this point lol 

butterflygirl921 wrote:

Leilanee wrote:

I'm with you at this point lol 

Yeah me too. It seems some see differing opinions as affronts to them personally. So the next part of this will be most likely my last in this.

Now

william_cpa wrote:

hghlndr6 wrote:

william_cpa wrote: ...Now Gary, you know that
little button you press so that you can adjust your aperture in MM? It
is the exact same button you press to adjust exposure compensation in SP
or AP.... 

No, it is not.  When in Manual Mode, my aperture is adjusted by the Front Dial, which I work with a finger.
 Shutter speed is adjusted by the Rear Dial, which I work with my thumb.
 There is no button involved.  It is very easy to work both dials
together with finger and thumb and so it is very easy to dial in any
over/under.  Quicker than AP with EC too!

I probably work in AP most of the time.  Because, most of the time, aperture is my priority.
 But, when EC is required, I'll go to manual because I can easily do the
over/under ...quicker, without fumbling around for another button, and
without taking my eye from the viewfinder.

I appreciate this is the case for your camera. Gary has a D5100 with only one command dial.

To which I will say he is quite adept at using it in MM, judging by the photos I have seen from him on the VB site. I think he has won top photo like three times now at least, so that point is meaningless if someone actually knows their equipment. Which by the way is all that counts anytime in any pursuit in life. Superior skill will always trump, superior equipment. Now superior equipment helps, but not if you do not know what you are working with.
And like Bob I also have two dials on my D300. I personally will never own another camera without the two dials, nor the back AF button.

Joves wrote: To which I will say he is quite adept at using it in MM, judging by the photos I have seen from him on the VB site.

Thank you very much.

I think he has won top photo like three times now at least,

I've now made the finals 4 times, against what I consider to be really stiff competition. 'Tis very humbling.

so that point is meaningless if someone actually knows their equipment. Which by the way is all that counts anytime in any pursuit in life. Superior skill will always trump, superior equipment. Now superior equipment helps, but not if you do not know what you are working with. And like Bob I also have two dials on my D300. I personally will never own another camera without the two dials, nor the back AF button.

I've been a musician for 40+ years more years than I care to admit to, and my day job is writing code. My fingers are pretty adept. I don't really have a problem managing all three points of the triangle simultaneously (yes, it's possible, even on a D5100).

butterflygirl921 wrote:

william_cpa wrote:

garyrhook wrote:

william_cpa wrote: For those of you aspiring Nat Geo photographers who want to learn something from PT and feel you are being dry humped by the 'I always shoot in manual' brigade,  take a good look at this  and carve it into your brain

OMG let it go. There's nothing there that hasn't been discussed already in this thread.

A tenacious adherence to aperture-priority mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

It is discussed there by somebody who is recognized as being one of the best in the world. It is discussed here by those who's resumes are distinctly lacking in such accolades.

A tenacious adherence to manual mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

garyrhook wrote: The camera doesn't know what the hell I want. Why would I let it make any of the decisions? Why is that so difficult to understand? There is no mode other than manual that achieves that.

If it was correct, Gary, then we could understand it.

I have never advocated strict adherence to any mode. You have. Show me where I have advocated only using AP or admit you made it up. I have only pointed out the irresponsible nature of claiming that any particular mode is 'the only mode that allows me to fulfill my vision'. It is highly misleading to beginners here and patently false, especially since you have already informed us that you do not know how to use your camera in AP mode.



garyrhook wrote: So you're suggesting that, instead of futzing with the aperture control, it's more convenient to futz with exposure compensation?

I don't think that makes any sense at all. On my camera exposure compensation is a pain to get to, to I never use it. Easier to stick to the basic triangle, thankyouverymuch.

Now Gary, you know that little button you press so that you can adjust your aperture in MM? It is the exact same button you press to adjust exposure compensation in SP or AP.

There can, therefore, be no reasonable explanation for hijacking threads and puffing out your chest to pronounce 'I always shoot in MM' .

Edit: BTW, in case you feel I 'have it in for you', the vast majority of your posts show a commitment to helping others with highly intelligent and succinct advice

"Facepalm" would you just give it up dude! REALLY!

Yes. WilliamCPA, please stop antagonizing people.  You've already been warned.  Your vendor status is not a licence to treat people anyway you wish and history of PT those rude condescending attitude don't last long.  

We might have differing opinions on things, but in the end we all do get along.   You on the other hand have jumped into pointless argumentation with both boots on, lambasting anyone with a differing opinion and generally devolving PT into another argument fest.  I'll admit I took your bait too many times, but if this blatant trolling and personal attacks continue... well let's just say "you've been warned". 

Stealthy Ninja wrote:

butterflygirl921 wrote:

william_cpa wrote:

garyrhook wrote:

william_cpa wrote: For those of you aspiring Nat Geo photographers who want to learn something from PT and feel you are being dry humped by the 'I always shoot in manual' brigade,  take a good look at this  and carve it into your brain

OMG let it go. There's nothing there that hasn't been discussed already in this thread.

A tenacious adherence to aperture-priority mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

It is discussed there by somebody who is recognized as being one of the best in the world. It is discussed here by those who's resumes are distinctly lacking in such accolades.

A tenacious adherence to manual mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

garyrhook wrote: The camera doesn't know what the hell I want. Why would I let it make any of the decisions? Why is that so difficult to understand? There is no mode other than manual that achieves that.

If it was correct, Gary, then we could understand it.

I have never advocated strict adherence to any mode. You have. Show me where I have advocated only using AP or admit you made it up. I have only pointed out the irresponsible nature of claiming that any particular mode is 'the only mode that allows me to fulfill my vision'. It is highly misleading to beginners here and patently false, especially since you have already informed us that you do not know how to use your camera in AP mode.



garyrhook wrote: So you're suggesting that, instead of futzing with the aperture control, it's more convenient to futz with exposure compensation?

I don't think that makes any sense at all. On my camera exposure compensation is a pain to get to, to I never use it. Easier to stick to the basic triangle, thankyouverymuch.

Now Gary, you know that little button you press so that you can adjust your aperture in MM? It is the exact same button you press to adjust exposure compensation in SP or AP.

There can, therefore, be no reasonable explanation for hijacking threads and puffing out your chest to pronounce 'I always shoot in MM' .

Edit: BTW, in case you feel I 'have it in for you', the vast majority of your posts show a commitment to helping others with highly intelligent and succinct advice

"Facepalm" would you just give it up dude! REALLY!

Yes. WilliamCPA, please stop antagonizing people.  You've already been warned.  Your vendor status is not a licence to treat people anyway you wish and history of PT those rude condescending attitude don't last long.  

We might have differing opinions on things, but in the end we all do get along.   You on the other hand have jumped into pointless argumentation with both boots on, lambasting anyone with a differing opinion and generally devolving PT into another argument fest.  I'll admit I took your bait too many times, but if this blatant trolling and personal attacks continue... well let's just say "you've been warned". 

Both you, Adrian, and Scotty have been reported for abuse.

Geez. I thought this horse died last week.

Both you, Adrian, and Scotty have been reported for abuse.

Reported to.... Adrian and Scotty? 

Geez. I thought this horse died last week.

Oh, now it's entering the realm of the absurd. And surreal. And immature. I'm becoming quite amused, myself.

I have asked Alex to step in. There is no need for this type of cat fighting. We all need to show respect. 

william_cpa wrote:

Stealthy Ninja wrote:

butterflygirl921 wrote:

william_cpa wrote:

garyrhook wrote:

william_cpa wrote: For those of you aspiring Nat Geo photographers who want to learn something from PT and feel you are being dry humped by the 'I always shoot in manual' brigade,  take a good look at this  and carve it into your brain

OMG let it go. There's nothing there that hasn't been discussed already in this thread.

A tenacious adherence to aperture-priority mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

It is discussed there by somebody who is recognized as being one of the best in the world. It is discussed here by those who's resumes are distinctly lacking in such accolades.

A tenacious adherence to manual mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

garyrhook wrote: The camera doesn't know what the hell I want. Why would I let it make any of the decisions? Why is that so difficult to understand? There is no mode other than manual that achieves that.

If it was correct, Gary, then we could understand it.

I have never advocated strict adherence to any mode. You have. Show me where I have advocated only using AP or admit you made it up. I have only pointed out the irresponsible nature of claiming that any particular mode is 'the only mode that allows me to fulfill my vision'. It is highly misleading to beginners here and patently false, especially since you have already informed us that you do not know how to use your camera in AP mode.



garyrhook wrote: So you're suggesting that, instead of futzing with the aperture control, it's more convenient to futz with exposure compensation?

I don't think that makes any sense at all. On my camera exposure compensation is a pain to get to, to I never use it. Easier to stick to the basic triangle, thankyouverymuch.

Now Gary, you know that little button you press so that you can adjust your aperture in MM? It is the exact same button you press to adjust exposure compensation in SP or AP.

There can, therefore, be no reasonable explanation for hijacking threads and puffing out your chest to pronounce 'I always shoot in MM' .

Edit: BTW, in case you feel I 'have it in for you', the vast majority of your posts show a commitment to helping others with highly intelligent and succinct advice

"Facepalm" would you just give it up dude! REALLY!

Yes. WilliamCPA, please stop antagonizing people.  You've already been warned.  Your vendor status is not a licence to treat people anyway you wish and history of PT those rude condescending attitude don't last long.  

We might have differing opinions on things, but in the end we all do get along.   You on the other hand have jumped into pointless argumentation with both boots on, lambasting anyone with a differing opinion and generally devolving PT into another argument fest.  I'll admit I took your bait too many times, but if this blatant trolling and personal attacks continue... well let's just say "you've been warned". 

Both you, Adrian, and Scotty have been reported for abuse.

you know they are both admins and your the one attacking people wow  

butterflygirl921 wrote:

william_cpa wrote:

Stealthy Ninja wrote:

butterflygirl921 wrote:

william_cpa wrote:

garyrhook wrote:

william_cpa wrote: For those of you aspiring Nat Geo photographers who want to learn something from PT and feel you are being dry humped by the 'I always shoot in manual' brigade,  take a good look at this  and carve it into your brain

OMG let it go. There's nothing there that hasn't been discussed already in this thread.

A tenacious adherence to aperture-priority mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

It is discussed there by somebody who is recognized as being one of the best in the world. It is discussed here by those who's resumes are distinctly lacking in such accolades.

A tenacious adherence to manual mode, despite clear, sanguine explanations as to the advantages of alternatives, doesn't make one right, it means one has a preference, albeit a strong one. That's fine, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.

garyrhook wrote: The camera doesn't know what the hell I want. Why would I let it make any of the decisions? Why is that so difficult to understand? There is no mode other than manual that achieves that.

If it was correct, Gary, then we could understand it.

I have never advocated strict adherence to any mode. You have. Show me where I have advocated only using AP or admit you made it up. I have only pointed out the irresponsible nature of claiming that any particular mode is 'the only mode that allows me to fulfill my vision'. It is highly misleading to beginners here and patently false, especially since you have already informed us that you do not know how to use your camera in AP mode.



garyrhook wrote: So you're suggesting that, instead of futzing with the aperture control, it's more convenient to futz with exposure compensation?

I don't think that makes any sense at all. On my camera exposure compensation is a pain to get to, to I never use it. Easier to stick to the basic triangle, thankyouverymuch.

Now Gary, you know that little button you press so that you can adjust your aperture in MM? It is the exact same button you press to adjust exposure compensation in SP or AP.

There can, therefore, be no reasonable explanation for hijacking threads and puffing out your chest to pronounce 'I always shoot in MM' .

Edit: BTW, in case you feel I 'have it in for you', the vast majority of your posts show a commitment to helping others with highly intelligent and succinct advice

"Facepalm" would you just give it up dude! REALLY!

Yes. WilliamCPA, please stop antagonizing people.  You've already been warned.  Your vendor status is not a licence to treat people anyway you wish and history of PT those rude condescending attitude don't last long.  

We might have differing opinions on things, but in the end we all do get along.   You on the other hand have jumped into pointless argumentation with both boots on, lambasting anyone with a differing opinion and generally devolving PT into another argument fest.  I'll admit I took your bait too many times, but if this blatant trolling and personal attacks continue... well let's just say "you've been warned". 

Both you, Adrian, and Scotty have been reported for abuse.

you know they are both admins and your the one attacking people wow  

We are not admins.  We are moderators.  Volunteered to be part of PT staff to overlook the integrity of the community.  There are admins on this site that are either paid to do backend work, or Alex himself.

Hi everyone.  I'll be locking this thread down.  I'm accessing the site on my mobile and will address this more in detail when I get back to my computer tomorrow morning.  I hope that the friction in this thread will not follow any other threads here.  There's a time and place for everything friends. 

Thank you for your understanding.