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A way to shoot RAW and keep your in camera settings when using lightroom.


12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133315 by Justin White Photography
I know a lot of you shoot in raw format and if you use Lightroom to do your common editing, you might have noticed that your in camera setting have been lost and the picture you took doesn't look the same when imported.

Well, this is because Lightroom is an Adobe product and doesn't exactly loose your settings just interprets it in the best way it knows how from the information it is given in the RAW file.

So, in order to keep your in camera settings you would have to use a Nikon program like ViewNX and then save the file as a .TIF file. These files are loss-less and will keep all information without degradation to the photo while editing.

Then you can just import into Lightroom and you have all your settings from your camera. You can then do your regular editing and if you have more advanced editing you can move your editing to Photoshop, which is very easy considering Lightroom was made to work with Photoshop.

This is what i found out from a bit of research on the internet and it's something that i had been wanting to know about since i started using Lightroom in my workflow...figured I would pass on the info and save you guys the trouble.

Hope this helps!
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133327 by MLKstudios
I can see why someone would suggest that. Adobe has to reverse-engineer RAW formats when each new camera model comes out. That's why their ACR plug-in gets updated frequently.

However a TIFF is not a RAW file. When you edit a TIFF you change the pixels. Editing a RAW file leaves the original pixels alone. RAW edits are non-destructive.

I use Adobe's DNG converter first. Then add my own edits which are contained within the DNG file.

The advantage of RAW (for me) is the original camera settings aren't that important. They can easily be manipulated in post. That's the beauty of it.

Matthew
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133335 by Justin White Photography
See, now that's why I posted this to see everyone's opinion so that i may do more research on it to improve my workflow...I do enjoy Lightroom though It's so quick and easy to use and I thought Lightroom was nondestructive anyway with it's editing.

You seem to know a lot about this and have been so helpful through the past couple days I've been here...glad we have you on here.

So, what would you suggest If I were to keep using Lightroom in my workflow. Just keep it as the RAW file and edit as i was in the first place? Isn't Lightroom nondestructive with any file?
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12 years 8 months ago #133338 by MLKstudios
You're welcome. I was on Lightroom's beta test team. Made suggestions they incorporated into Lr2 -- local editing ability, so we wouldn't need both Lr and Ps to finish off an image.

I suggest doing what I do...

1. Import NEF (or CR2) from the card to a folder on your computer.
2. Import them into Lr as DNG files -- here you can add data to the EXIF, like your copyright info, keywords for searching, etc. and place them on external drive(s).
3. Edit the DNG.

HTH
Matthew L Kees
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"Every artist, was once an amateur"
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133354 by Henry Peach
Does Lightroom have a camera calibration tab? Adobe Camera Raw does, and if it supports the camera model you can pick the picture styles. I'm not sure if it also reads the in-camera processing if custom set.

Personally I don't expect the raw file to look like the finished photo any more than I expected my negs to look like the finished photo. If I wanted the in-camera processing look I'd just shoot jpeg. Raw is for going beyond what the in-camera processing is capable of.
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133359 by MLKstudios
HP,

Yes, you can customize settings for each model camera you own, or the ISO used and more. But, no it isn't reading every bit of EXIF data (or maybe it's interpreting it slightly differently) as Nikon's own software is capable of doing.

It's their only advantage -- keeping the RAW formats proprietary.

I think the Adobe engineers do a pretty good job reversing them though.

Matthew
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"Every artist, was once an amateur"
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133366 by Henry Peach
Also I wouldn't count on the LCD to be particularly accurate. I can't speak for Nikon, but the half dozen different Canon DSLRs I've owned have all had different looking LCDs. Thank goodness the photos don't have the nasty green cast the old 5DI's LCD was notorious for, and my 40D LCD was too cool.
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12 years 8 months ago #133370 by MLKstudios
HP,

Never LCD. Histogram!!

:)
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"Every artist, was once an amateur"
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12 years 8 months ago #133372 by Henry Peach

Justin White Photography wrote: Isn't Lightroom nondestructive with any file?


Yes, but a raw file allows access to the information gathered by the sensor in it's most unprocessed form available. A tiff is a processed photo. So before you get to Lightroom you have discarded some of the original information by converting it to a tiff.
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133375 by MLKstudios
^ exactly.

RAW is akin to developing the negative yourself. Hence the DNG (Digital Negative) format.
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12 years 8 months ago #133397 by Justin White Photography
Gotcha so, i have become accustomed to using Lightroom, best to just scratch the first post and use either DNG or RAW.

I've heard a lot of controversy between the RAW and DNG file formats. Pros and Cons so a lot of people say DNG isn't going to be around to long. It is still fairly new considering other file formats.

Maybe I should start a thread about that and see what everyone thinks about the two and what they use more.
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #133398 by MLKstudios
... or you could read the next issue of Consumer Reports.

Only 2 people thought this comment was worthwhile.

:)
Matthew L Kees
MLK Studios Photography School
www.MLKstudios.com
[email protected]
"Every artist, was once an amateur"
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12 years 8 months ago #133489 by Henry Peach

Justin White Photography wrote: I've heard a lot of controversy between the RAW and DNG file formats. Pros and Cons so a lot of people say DNG isn't going to be around to long. It is still fairly new considering other file formats.


How hard is it to open a gif? Check out the long list of file extensions that no one ever uses anymore, but Adobe/Windows/Mac imaging software can still handle. It's easy to include code to read/open old files. If you can get to the internet there won't ever be a problem opening, reading, and converting old files.

Raw is not a standardized file format like gif, jpeg, tiff, etc... Raw files change from camera to camera within the same manufacturer's line of gear (don't be fooled because they keep the extension the same). DNG is Adobe's attempt to standardize the raw file format. DNG is older than the raw files used by Canon and Nikon's latest DSLRs. Although I don't anticipate ever having a problem with Canon's multitude of different raw files, I would expect to have compatibility problems with the camera manufacturers' raw files before I have those problems with DNG.
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12 years 8 months ago #133606 by Justin White Photography
See now that's why i'm liking this forum more and more everyday. You learn something new all the time. I'll have to do more research so i understand it better though...lol
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