dodging and burning

12 years 11 months ago #61697 by 65byi
I understand what they do, but every time I try to doge or burn, my pictures come out looking like crap. Is there a trick I don't know about? How can I doge or burn a picture and actually make it look good? Any advice would help.


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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #61701 by chasrich
I find baby steps work best... Make the tool almost transparent (less opacity and lowered density) and give it a lot of fuzz (hardness set low). Apply in multiple steps rather than shooting for one big slash. If you go too far use the Ctrl+Z to remove any oopsies.

Photobod might be able to add to this - he is a masterburner and dodger. Speaking of oopsies my spell checker want to correct me and write masterbator ... :rofl:

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12 years 11 months ago #61785 by John Landolfi
What software are you using? CS5 has greatly improved dodge and burn tools. You might look in one of Scott Kelby's early books, where I recall a simple method that avoids using the burn&dodge tools, if they aren/t working well for you


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12 years 11 months ago #61943 by photobod

chasrich wrote: I find baby steps work best... Make the tool almost transparent (less opacity and lowered density) and give it a lot of fuzz (hardness set low). Apply in multiple steps rather than shooting for one big slash. If you go too far use the Ctrl+Z to remove any oopsies.

Photobod might be able to add to this - he is a masterburner and dodger. Speaking of oopsies my spell checker want to correct me and write masterbator ... :rofl:



Thanks for the compliment there Charles, baby steps is the best advice, most people jump in without checking there settings, I use cs5 so the burn and dodge tools are top notch compared to earlier versions, take your time, zoom in to areas so you can see what you are working on, I work on the midtones mostly but you can work on the highlights or the shadows, I have a soft brush and my exposure is set to about 33% rarely change that, keep changing the size of your brush so that it is large or small enough to just work on the area you are concentrating on as charles says Ctrl+Z to go back steps, although on mine and it may be the cs 5 I have to do Ctrl and Alt +Z.
The more you do it the better you will become, its brilliant for making eyes really pop, thats my favourite technique.

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12 years 11 months ago #62143 by Doug
These suggestions sound right for Lightroom 3 as well, whose tools should be similar to Photoshop's (I use LR, but not PS). In addition, the gradient tool in LR is pretty flexible for this in some situations.


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12 years 11 months ago #62343 by Stealthy Ninja
Both skills learnt in ninja school
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12 years 11 months ago #62383 by Scotty

Stealthy Ninja wrote: Both skills learnt in ninja school


agreed. :watching:

When the last candle has been blown out
and the last glass of champagne has been drunk
All that you are left with are the memories and the images-David Cooke.

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12 years 11 months ago #62389 by Stealthy Ninja

Scotty wrote:

Stealthy Ninja wrote: Both skills learnt in ninja school


agreed. :watching:


You can't watch me, I'm watching you. :watching:
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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #65235 by Henry Peach

chasrich wrote: I find baby steps work best... Make the tool almost transparent (less opacity and lowered density) and give it a lot of fuzz (hardness set low). Apply in multiple steps rather than shooting for one big slash.


:agree:

These days I normally use the exposure and brightness adjustment brushes in ACR set to 100 feather and rarely outside te range of -25 to +25. If I need more burn or dodge I use additional passes. This way the borders get broken up, and blend better.

The last time I tried the official dodge and burn tools in Photoshop was CS2, and they weren't too hot. If I'm in PS and need to burn or dodge I use the lasso tool to make a feathered selection, and use curves to lighten or darken that area.

In the darkroom we would try to add some randomness both to the tool and our hand motions. So if using a brush maybe pick an oddly shaped one, and put a little jiggle in the mouse as you paint.
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12 years 11 months ago #66175 by effron

Why so serious?
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