Castlerigg Sunrise - without filter

12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #207209 by nedward50
Alex's California Sunset using blocking filters for long exposure has prompted this post. I think it a great shot.

I have been visiting this site for 40 years and as I am now trying to learn photography, thought I'd try a sunrise. There is no HDR treatment and no filter involved. ISO 100 at f22 for 1/10 second has given lens flare (white banding not the starburst) loads of grainy noise. The shortish exposure was because I metered close to the sun as it rose.
Needless to say the raw file was a black silhouette with an orange ball above it. So there was a lot of post production work that i'm not sure or happy about.

I cropped to a "pano" type but its not a true panorama. Any thoughts or observations that will help me improve?

Also posted is an after dawn and 3:2 aspect of the same as comparison for the pano crop.




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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #207210 by Karl Wertanen
First off, i'm no pro.... But it looks to me that for shooting into the sun, no filters, and dealing with the conditions given, they turned out pretty good. I think you made the right decision by not digging in too much deeper with the PS. I think there reaches a point when people use PS to push a picture farther than it really can go considering the conditions the photograph was shot under and it ends up just looking amateurish. It looks like you were able to recover and use as much of the exposure as possible without crossing that line. I don't really see much more that you could have done if you were not going to use filters while shooting and heavy surgery like HDR (which can also easily look amateurish if not controlled properly). I would say nice work. :cheers: :goodpost:

#1 does look a little underexposed though.
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12 years 2 months ago #207221 by Baydream
Love the "feeling" and crop of #2. Into the sun is so tough.

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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #207233 by nedward50
Karl,Baydream thanks for taking time to view and comment.

You are right about the overexposed feeling Karl here's a more contrasty version and also another photo of a different sunrise using a 8x ND Filter.

p.s. I'm no pro either, they sure earn their money!


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12 years 2 months ago #207234 by Baydream
That last one is really nice. (I clicked the INSERT buttons for you).
The others could benefit from a Graduated ND filter - probably hard edge - or maybe a square dark ND held at the horizon.
Another good case for HDR. Worth taking the shot bracketed and downloading the trail version of Photomatrix or similar.

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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #207247 by Karl Wertanen

Baydream wrote: That last one is really nice. (I clicked the INSERT buttons for you).
The others could benefit from a Graduated ND filter - probably hard edge - or maybe a square dark ND held at the horizon.
Another good case for HDR. Worth taking the shot bracketed and downloading the trail version of Photomatrix or similar.


Agree with the grad ND. That's how I would approach those scenes.
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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #207270 by photobod
Nice to see you posting and putting your work up for critique, I agree with Karl on all his comments, he is a superb landscape photographer and it would be good for you to take a look at his albums on here, you will learn a lot.
That last photo I love, would look good on anyones wall :judge: :judge: :judge: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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12 years 2 months ago #207279 by Darrell
Very Cool.... :judge:

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12 years 2 months ago #207412 by nedward50
Thank you and yes I have a grad filter however it only gives a stop or two difference, not sure why I bought it. HDR may be worth exploring, I understand the concept. I'd also like to fully understand and implement Adam's zone system. We know he also defended dodge and burn techniques as god hadn't got it quite right.
Man if I had that confidence lol!
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12 years 2 months ago #207413 by nedward50
photobod.....visited Karls site and yes he has some fantastic images I'd love be able to capture, also thanks for your encouragement. I'll keep posting until you are all sick to death of me, and i'll try and contribute via comments to others etc.
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12 years 2 months ago #207414 by nedward50
Darrell.....thank you, still lots of room for improvement. For instance we were moving off the lake sunrise site, suddenly against one of the surrounding rock faces there was a fantastic bust of red light that lasted for around 3-4 minutes and then the clouds rolled in.....if only I'd waited before packing the gear away?
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12 years 2 months ago #207415 by nedward50
Karl, great work on your web site, if you feel a dark shadow entering your life:woohoo: don't worry, its just Ned looking over your shoulder, thanks for your input.
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12 years 2 months ago #208265 by Fingers 3
I think you did an excellent job for no filter use and no hdr (which is really hard for some people). :judge:


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12 years 2 months ago #208532 by nedward50
fingers3 , thank you.

In reality many cameras are outside their design zone if you don't use the appropriate intervention in the form of filters. They can't cope well with the differences in bright and dark above around 7 stops. I know this depends on model but as a general observation.

Our human sensors will cope beyond around 10 stops of difference as the brain is able to perceive and interpret. So what we see and the way that camera sensors work is different and we need to understand the tolerances and intervene.

I have seen some fantastic sunrise and sunset shots directly into the sun (non of them mine I hasten to add) and the correct filters are the key. Post processing dodging, burning etc. cannot render the same results in my opinion. An idiot like me will try though as it is my learning style. I'm the kid who poked his fingers into the fire despite parental advice lol.

Attached is another shot where i'm trying intervene using a tree to reduce the brightness of the sun......it still doesn't give the umph that the good shots we've all seen do.
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12 years 2 months ago #208542 by stadimiri
hi
lovely pics TFS


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