Constructive Criticism

12 years 11 months ago #80861 by chasrich

John Landolfi wrote:

Baydream wrote: Sorry, John. I guess it's post the photo and request a critique in it's own thread. Good idea while it lasted Perhaps Alex could add a forum category. We have cats for each area but they are for "display or critique and located so far down the drop down menu most people miss them.


Not to mention that finding a particular shot is practically impossible in the Gallery section.. The point was to have a thread where someone who wanted to hear other's opinions could post, and have some expectation his photo would be seen and commented on. But I guess it doesn't seem worth doing, at least to Charles and MLK..


Thank you for making my point John. Not you John, the other John...

I'm not against you doing this idea. I'm against ME doing it.

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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #81125 by John Landolfi
Ah. Well, let's see if anybody posts an image, And, I am not proposing myself as a reviewer- there seem to be plenty of willing and capable members who have been doing it upon request anyway, This would just be a way to organize it and make it more visible and accessible.


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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #81127 by Scotty

John Landolfi wrote: Ah. Well, let's see if anybody posts an image, And, I am not proposing myself as a reviewer- there seem to be plenty of willing and capable members who have been doing it upon request anyway, This would just be a way to organize it and make it more visible and accessible.


Did you know some people think cucumber taste better than pickle?

There is a whole section of the forum, seperated by subject matter...for critique.


It just needs to be moved up more towards the top to get more traffic.

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12 years 11 months ago #81129 by Trudehell
I'll volunteer for a criticism of one of my fish photos.

I've taken a million photos of my aquarium fish. It's only after getting my hands on a dslr camera with manual focus, I've been able to take decent photos of for instance the Cherry barbs ( Puntius titteya ):




I'd like some honest and constructive feed back, so that I'll learn something useful. Learning is making one's mistakes more and more refined, I've been told!

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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #81133 by MLKstudios
Our eyes are drawn to bright areas and areas of high contrast, so I would tone down the upper right some. Again, you want to draw the eye to your subject.

Pretty fish!

HTH :)

What was that saying HP repeated recently... If you can't something something, make it RED!

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12 years 11 months ago #81139 by Trudehell

MLKstudios wrote: Our eyes are drawn to bright areas and areas of high contrast, so I would tone down the upper right some. Again, you want to draw the eye to your subject.

Pretty fish!

HTH :)

What was that saying HP repeated recently... If you can't something something, make it RED!


Once I read what you say, it's quite obvious - away with the light part in the top right corner.

So among other things I need to rehears seeing the obvious. Thanks - again!

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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #81141 by MLKstudios
Once you get past the camera settings, which aren't that hard to learn. The real tool of a photographer is learning to SEE. It's not unusual for people to miss the obvious, because they haven't been trained to look at things the way an artist does.

BTW anyone who says you learn portrait lighting by putting a light here and a reflector there is teaching you to copy someone else's work. Portrait lighting is learning to control the light (and shadows) on the face. It has very little to do with light placement.

Matthew :)

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12 years 11 months ago #81175 by photobod
Hi John, its me and my 2 penniesworth, in my humble opinion this is a good thread and I am surprised at the negativity you received, so what if there is an entire thread devoted to critiques,
its a bit like saying why is there a photo appreciation thread (championed by me by the way) when there are galleries where we can all go and see the photos plus critique them or praise them if we wish, why is there a forum called PT when we can all just google for our answers, why oh why.
why does someone (he shall remain nameless) feel the need to come on this thread and make a sarcastic remark then ask his best buddie to talk to him on the computer, what is that about ???.
Why cant we all make a thread and let others join in or not, and if you dont want to join in thats great, just dont come in be sarcastic or try to destroy someone elses thread.


By the way hi Trude your photo is a good attempt, Water is always hard to deal with, but you seem to have coped quite well, the highlights could be easily burned out and the fish itself could be dodged a little to make it pop.
Well done for being brave enough to be the first to put yourself out there, I will do the same once I get back home next weekend, house and pet sitting this week.

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12 years 11 months ago #81183 by John Landolfi
It may be two pennies, David, but very welcome!


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12 years 11 months ago #81193 by John Landolfi
Trude, please, forgive me if you have no need of this bit of advice. A simple way to achieve darkening the background might be:
New Layer. fill with 50% Gray> Black mask> paint with various opacities of white to highlight the fish and have whatever effect you like in the background


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12 years 11 months ago #81201 by Trudehell

photobod wrote: Hi John, its me and my 2 penniesworth, in my humble opinion this is a good thread and I am surprised at the negativity you received, so what if there is an entire thread devoted to critiques,
its a bit like saying why is there a photo appreciation thread (championed by me by the way) when there are galleries where we can all go and see the photos plus critique them or praise them if we wish, why is there a forum called PT when we can all just google for our answers, why oh why.
why does someone (he shall remain nameless) feel the need to come on this thread and make a sarcastic remark then ask his best buddie to talk to him on the computer, what is that about ???.
Why cant we all make a thread and let others join in or not, and if you dont want to join in thats great, just dont come in be sarcastic or try to destroy someone elses thread.


By the way hi Trude your photo is a good attempt, Water is always hard to deal with, but you seem to have coped quite well, the highlights could be easily burned out and the fish itself could be dodged a little to make it pop.
Well done for being brave enough to be the first to put yourself out there, I will do the same once I get back home next weekend, house and pet sitting this week.


It doesn't take bravery to ask for critic, it takes will to learn - and boy do I have enough to learn! :(
The good thing is, looks like I've found a good place for it!
:judge:

I'll give it a good try with the fishy photo tomorrow and see how it turns out!
:ohmy:

When it comes to if this tread is needed or not, well - why don't we wait and see.
:banana:

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12 years 11 months ago #81205 by Trudehell

John Landolfi wrote: Trude, please, forgive me if you have no need of this bit of advice. A simple way to achieve darkening the background might be:
New Layer. fill with 50% Gray> Black mask> paint with various opacities of white to highlight the fish and have whatever effect you like in the background


If the advice is wasted on me, hopefully someone else will find it useful! I would have tried with a layermask on a darkened new whole layer of the photo, but I'll give your advice a go instead.

Thank you John!:thumbsup:

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12 years 11 months ago #81207 by Scotty
Just to make things clear, I wasn't being negative. Criticism and Critique are fundamental to the process of learning.


I feel like everybody is missing something huge here.








We have a whole sub-section DEDICATED TO THIS. Lets start pushing it, and form a more vibrant community instead of putting all your energy in one thread, that will become extremely difficult to search through/organize.

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12 years 11 months ago #81237 by chasrich

Scotty wrote: Just to make things clear, I wasn't being negative. Criticism and Critique are fundamental to the process of learning.


I feel like everybody is missing something huge here.








We have a whole sub-section DEDICATED TO THIS. Lets start pushing it, and form a more vibrant community instead of putting all your energy in one thread, that will become extremely difficult to search through/organize.

The bananas be dancing. :banana:

:agree: :goodpost:

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12 years 11 months ago #81243 by Baydream

chasrich wrote:

Scotty wrote: Just to make things clear, I wasn't being negative. Criticism and Critique are fundamental to the process of learning.


I feel like everybody is missing something huge here.








We have a whole sub-section DEDICATED TO THIS. Lets start pushing it, and form a more vibrant community instead of putting all your energy in one thread, that will become extremely difficult to search through/organize.

The bananas be dancing. :banana:

:agree: :goodpost:

The problem is that it's kind of hidden - plus it says display and critique. Lets drop the display and keep those in the gallery and PROMOTE the critique.

Shoot, learn and share. It will make you a better photographer.
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